Audio for Mohler / Patterson debate…err…discussion

26 09 2006

The audio is available here for the discussion between Al Mohler and Paige Patterson surrounding Calvinism. The discussion seemed to be directed at achieving common evangelistic ground rather than outlining and debating doctrinal distinctives, which apparently is pretty denominationally necessary at this point. Anyway, I was under whelmed but I know that some folks have been looking for this.

A couple of points to note:

-Patterson unabashedly states that he is a universalist in terms of the atonement’s potential.

Mohler chastises Calvinists who drive across the state to debate an Arminian but won’t walk across the street to evangelize their neighbor. <amen!>

-Patterson says that he and Mohler essentially agree “although we differ a little bit, when we get down to the nitty gritty…”

The whole thing seemed strangely ironic. The men fundamentally disagree about God’s design in the atonement and the way in which he applies it (in other words the gospel) however they came across as if they were on the same page in regards to the gospel. I wish they would have interacted a bit on the disagreements and let the text talk, however this apparently was not the intention.

(HT: Tim Challies)

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How to increase your blog’s traffic

25 07 2006

There is a whole arm of the technological industry dedicated to helping bloggers increase the traffic on their blogs. However, I think I may have found an option they have failed to identify.

In recent weeks I have taken the opportunity to interact with legalistic positions on alcohol, specifically within the Southern Baptist Convention, as a result this blog’s traffic has dramatically increased. (see the following posts and comments here, here and here)
So for all of the gadgets and toys that the experts say to add to your blog to make it more attractive let’s add another:

Jesus drinking and making wine and the Christians who think it is sinful to do so.

This seems to get folks excited and reading.

However, this site’s aim is not controversy, numbers, or traffic, but rather edification. My goal here is to spend time with Jesus and his Word and then share it with you. To fill my own heart with love and esteem and then live and interact with life while (hopefully) providing edification.

Therefore, I’m looking forward to getting back to affection stirring biblical devotion on this site. You know the kind of affectionate praise that causes your heart to beat faster and your eyes to water as you read and interact with the Word!! This is where its at for me. Thanks for joining me as I try to learn and love Jesus more.
by grace,

erik





Biblical Perspective on Alcohol (resource)

24 07 2006

In light of all of the discussion surrounding alcohol and the Bible I wanted to make some resources available. Included here is a helpful series done by my Senior Pastor Patrick Abendroth of Omaha Bible Church during a sermon series last July.

This is a thoughtful and distinctly biblical study as we as chruch worked through the issues. Pat deals with topics ranging from wine in the Old Testament, at the time of Jesus and for usage in the church for communion. Additionally Pat deals with the issue of the ‘weaker brother’ in accordance with Romans 14-15.

Enjoy this helpful resource!! And if you want to argue, email Pat…just kidding! I’ll put on the headgear and take the lumps…

wine-or-welchs-album.jpgWine or Welch’s Part 1

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Wine or Welch’s Part 2

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Relating to the Spiritually Weak

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A “Paige” out of the Pharisee’s book…more SBC Jedi Mind Tricks

18 07 2006

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Last week I wrote an article entitled “Could Jesus be Jesus and a Southern Baptist?” to the recent resolution by the Southern Baptist Convention that encouraged all of its members to advocate complete abstinence from alcoholic beverages based upon the ‘damaging’ effects of such a ‘drug’.

Well right on the heels of that posting, Paige Patterson, the President of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, TX, wrote an article promoting the total abstention from anything alcoholic. Whereas Akin was more emotional Patterson comes out with some Jedi mind tricks and voodoo hermeneutics to arrive at his conclusion that it is sinful for the Christian to drink.

I am definitely not on an alcohol crusade over here, but I am firmly committed to following what the Bible says and trying to make sure that I do my best to ensure that people are not lied to about what the Bible says. Paige Patterson is a leader in the largest evangelical denomination in the world and he is twisting the truth like a clown making balloon dogs at a toddler’s birthday party. It is just out of line.

Why is it alcohol that the SBC is going after? Why not gluttony? I’m not picking on the denomination here but there are two things I have experienced in every Southern Baptist Church that I’ve been to, 1) a hug from a male (not very comfortable with this, but try to be all things to all men), 2) a potluck. These people love to eat, and many of the pastors at these churches were not exactly in shape either. Something is out of line about a guy who’s suit jacket won’t stay buttoned telling me that I cannot drink alcohol because it is sinful.

I am not the only one upset. Even Southern Baptists are voicing their frustration. For a thoughtful response to Patterson’s article see this Southern Baptist.

patterson.jpgPatterson says that “Strong drink is prohibited for those in leadership.” Well I guess Jesus didn’t get this memo since he drank alcohol! Or does Jesus not count? How about the Apostles did they refuse to drink the wine at the Last Supper? Can you imagine the Lord’s reaction if Andrew (we always pick on Peter, let’s try someone else) would have said, “uhh, Jesus, is that grape juice fermented? ‘Cause, you know, we want to make sure that we don’t give the wrong impression…you know how those Pharisees are. I’ll just hold off. I actually have some water left from lunch, I’ll have that.”

Concerning the miracle in John 2 (the first public miracle noted by John by the way) in which Jesus shows his winemaking skills, Patterson says, “The text nowhere indicates that Jesus participated.” Are you kidding!?! He made the wine!! How much more participation do you need? How about this, if Jesus had not participated there would have been no more wine!

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Could Jesus be Jesus and a Southern Baptist?

12 07 2006

grape21.jpgAt their annual convention Southern Baptists passed a resolution that urges complete abstinence from alcoholic beverages. Some of the reasoning for such a stance includes confirmed research “that alcohol use leads to physical, mental, and emotional damage”, the destruction of families through alcohol use, the addictive nature of alcohol, and the current trend of religious leaders advocating moderate drinking based upon “a misinterpretation of the doctrine of ‘our freedom in Christ’”.

The SBC went all out and expressed “total opposition to the manufacturing, advertising, distributing, and consuming of alcoholic beverages” while also advocating “Southern Baptist to be actively involved in educating students and adults concerning the destructive nature of alcoholic beverages.” Finally, they resolved that “organizations and ministries to treat alcohol-related problems from a biblical perspective and promote abstinence and encourage local churches to begin and/or support such biblically-based ministry.”

Biblically based ministry?

In reading this you would almost think that someone could be converted if they would just stop drinking. Is this really the mission that the SBC wants to pursue: the opposing of the production, advertisement and distribution of alcohol? Is this the main thing? Better yet, is this even biblical?

Immediately my mind thinks of the Savior and the first public miracle that he conducted….He made wine!! And it is not like he made a bottle or two, but he made an excessive amount of wine!

John chapter two tells us that: “there were six stone waterpots set there for the Jewish custom of purification, containing twenty or thirty gallons each” ok..so that is a conservative 120 gallons of wine. There are generally 25 fluid ounces in a bottle of wine. This means that if Jesus made bottled wine he would have made over 600 bottles of wine for this wedding!! This is a lot of wine for a wedding in any culture!

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