Comments on: How Pop-Evangelicals Undermine God in Evangelism http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/how-pop-evangelicals-undermine-god-in-evangelism/ IrishCalvinist.com :: Erik Raymond's old wordpress blog blog Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:53:09 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Barry http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/how-pop-evangelicals-undermine-god-in-evangelism/#comment-1575 Barry Sun, 12 Nov 2006 06:19:36 +0000 http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/how-pop-evangelicals-undermine-god-in-evangelism/#comment-1575 Ah FAITH. I remember it well. The other problem I had with it was the cold call approach by disguising the real intent of the visit for a so called survey. Asking generic churchy type questions like "What ministry in the church do think the church needs to focus more on? A) Women's B) Men's C) Senior's D) Children's. This was done in order to lead into a watered down Gospel presentation. I would sometimes would them how they would define the word sin. This too was met with resistance from other co-leaders. I also appreciate the ministry of Ray Comfort and have adopted some of his methods in my personal evangelism, such as using the Ten Commandments to direct the individual to understand their condition and standing before God. Understanding that it is the power of the Gospel of Christ that saves people from their sins. If it is watered down with a "friendly" version that does not discuss man's emity toward God can it ever be a complete Gospel. I don't believe there is such a thing as a partial Gospel. Fight the good fight and preach a complete Gospel for God does the saving. I thank God that he has allowed us to participate in His sovereign plan to His glory. Ah FAITH. I remember it well. The other problem I had with it was the cold call approach by disguising the real intent of the visit for a so called survey. Asking generic churchy type questions like “What ministry in the church do think the church needs to focus more on? A) Women’s B) Men’s C) Senior’s D) Children’s. This was done in order to lead into a watered down Gospel presentation. I would sometimes would them how they would define the word sin. This too was met with resistance from other co-leaders.

I also appreciate the ministry of Ray Comfort and have adopted some of his methods in my personal evangelism, such as using the Ten Commandments to direct the individual to understand their condition and standing before God. Understanding that it is the power of the Gospel of Christ that saves people from their sins. If it is watered down with a “friendly” version that does not discuss man’s emity toward God can it ever be a complete Gospel. I don’t believe there is such a thing as a partial Gospel.

Fight the good fight and preach a complete Gospel for God does the saving. I thank God that he has allowed us to participate in His sovereign plan to His glory.

]]> By: erik http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/how-pop-evangelicals-undermine-god-in-evangelism/#comment-1547 erik Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:18:38 +0000 http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/how-pop-evangelicals-undermine-god-in-evangelism/#comment-1547 Steve, It will be good to have you up in Nebraska....looking forward to it. The 'strategy' was the FAITH program....starting with the F for forgiveness....very man centered starting with availability of forgiveness apart from any knowledge of sin or the divine character that demands justice. I saw a stat that 90% of the SBC was Arminian, Dever would have a bit of a problem getting elected with that constituency. erik Steve,

It will be good to have you up in Nebraska….looking forward to it.

The ’strategy’ was the FAITH program….starting with the F for forgiveness….very man centered starting with availability of forgiveness apart from any knowledge of sin or the divine character that demands justice.

I saw a stat that 90% of the SBC was Arminian, Dever would have a bit of a problem getting elected with that constituency.

erik

]]> By: Pastor Steve http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/how-pop-evangelicals-undermine-god-in-evangelism/#comment-1524 Pastor Steve Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:18:41 +0000 http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/how-pop-evangelicals-undermine-god-in-evangelism/#comment-1524 Erik, I am busy getting ready to pack and move to the big N, but I happened to check e-mail and surf the net. What was the strategy? was it the Faith strategy, Kingdom, Connect, or do you remember? I hate to see what people zealous for seeing others become "christians" will do to the gospel. Unfortunately, the SBC is notorious for coming up with new strategies that are more sleek and easy to be a so called Christian. That is also why Mark Dever will never be elected the SBC president (he was nominated this year). If you are not a southern armenian, you will not get the support. There are a number of good people in the SBC, but I don't believe Calvinism will ever be accepted within the mainstream. So, why would we expect a strategy that tells problem and gives the solution .... when we are solely responsible for people getting persuaded.... er, sold.... er, saved. In Christ, Steve Erik,
I am busy getting ready to pack and move to the big N, but I happened to check e-mail and surf the net. What was the strategy? was it the Faith strategy, Kingdom, Connect, or do you remember?
I hate to see what people zealous for seeing others become “christians” will do to the gospel. Unfortunately, the SBC is notorious for coming up with new strategies that are more sleek and easy to be a so called Christian.
That is also why Mark Dever will never be elected the SBC president (he was nominated this year). If you are not a southern armenian, you will not get the support. There are a number of good people in the SBC, but I don’t believe Calvinism will ever be accepted within the mainstream. So, why would we expect a strategy that tells problem and gives the solution …. when we are solely responsible for people getting persuaded…. er, sold…. er, saved.

In Christ,
Steve

]]> By: erik http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/how-pop-evangelicals-undermine-god-in-evangelism/#comment-1521 erik Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:12:47 +0000 http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/how-pop-evangelicals-undermine-god-in-evangelism/#comment-1521 I do appreciate Ray Comforts ministry. His passion to expose and proclaim sin in evangelism was (and is) helpful to me. We will not begin to appreciate our salvation without beginning to understand our own sinfulness. I do appreciate Ray Comforts ministry. His passion to expose and proclaim sin in evangelism was (and is) helpful to me.

We will not begin to appreciate our salvation without beginning to understand our own sinfulness.

]]> By: thelamp http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/how-pop-evangelicals-undermine-god-in-evangelism/#comment-1517 thelamp Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:30:01 +0000 http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/how-pop-evangelicals-undermine-god-in-evangelism/#comment-1517 sin exposes darkness when there should be light. Sadly, probably the reason why so many choose not to expose darkness is because they might be living in darkness and they do not wish to be placed upon a standard of measurement. God said, "Be holy for I am holy". I'll be the first to admit I am not holy as I ought to be. However, I do approach people and will deal with sin issues in a loving yet convicting way. I recommend www.wayofthemaster.com for some resources regards to evangelism. They're not the final word, but they're much better. http://thelamp.wordpress.com http://www.covenantdata.com/golive/ sin exposes darkness when there should be light. Sadly, probably the reason why so many choose not to expose darkness is because they might be living in darkness and they do not wish to be placed upon a standard of measurement. God said, “Be holy for I am holy”. I’ll be the first to admit I am not holy as I ought to be. However, I do approach people and will deal with sin issues in a loving yet convicting way. I recommend http://www.wayofthemaster.com for some resources regards to evangelism. They’re not the final word, but they’re much better.

http://thelamp.wordpress.com
http://www.covenantdata.com/golive/

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