Comments on: Thinking Biblically about Terrell Owens http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/ IrishCalvinist.com :: Erik Raymond's old wordpress blog blog Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:53:09 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Wayne http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/#comment-728 Wayne Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:22:07 +0000 http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/#comment-728 This post is for Rob I think you missed the thrust of the original article written by Erik. The issue wasn't as excuse to gossip about a celebrity but to hit home the issue and damaging effects of sin, but also the gloriousness and grace of Christ. This was an opportunity to demonstrate that. If this issue of sin is just quibling over theological issues, then I guess understanding the nature of sin and its effect isn't important for the beleiver (good natured sarcasm intended). Rob, the issue is the heart and fleshing out its absolute corruption apart from the grace of God. I want to echo, no, scream, Erik's final remarks to "exalt in the grace of God through Jesus Christ while growing more impressed with Jesus!" "The heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick, who can understand it." Jer 17:9 This post is for Rob

I think you missed the thrust of the original article written by Erik. The issue wasn’t as excuse to gossip about a celebrity but to hit home the issue and damaging effects of sin, but also the gloriousness and grace of Christ. This was an opportunity to demonstrate that. If this issue of sin is just quibling over theological issues, then I guess understanding the nature of sin and its effect isn’t important for the beleiver (good natured sarcasm intended). Rob, the issue is the heart and fleshing out its absolute corruption apart from the grace of God.

I want to echo, no, scream, Erik’s final remarks to “exalt in the grace of God through Jesus Christ while growing more impressed with Jesus!”

“The heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick, who can understand it.” Jer 17:9

]]> By: Sterling Bill http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/#comment-722 Sterling Bill Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:48:42 +0000 http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/#comment-722 Thank you, very nice read. T.O. is just wishing...his desire for more and more has ruined his chances of making a stellar carreer, one that would eclipse the one he is now getting to the end of. He is not only empty spiritually, he sees his past and knows in the back of his mind that he blew it...many times. He could have had a great carreer in Philly, but now he is under the guns of Bledsoe, not as good as Mcnabb. Terrible folly. His pride of not asking for forgiveness and being humble before his former teammates has derailed his football life. Pride brought this man low. Or, rather, God's punishment for his pride. Now, I'm assuming he attempted suicide, which I'm not positive of (I have heard that it was a mistake, he'll probably blame Drew Bledsoe in a press release). It is not unlikely that he accredited God for his amazing recovery, many nonChristians have I seen do such a thing, although I don't know if made a statement such as that. Could be. Ster Thank you, very nice read.
T.O. is just wishing…his desire for more and more has ruined his chances of making a stellar carreer, one that would eclipse the one he is now getting to the end of. He is not only empty spiritually, he sees his past and knows in the back of his mind that he blew it…many times. He could have had a great carreer in Philly, but now he is under the guns of Bledsoe, not as good as Mcnabb. Terrible folly. His pride of not asking for forgiveness and being humble before his former teammates has derailed his football life. Pride brought this man low. Or, rather, God’s punishment for his pride.

Now, I’m assuming he attempted suicide, which I’m not positive of (I have heard that it was a mistake, he’ll probably blame Drew Bledsoe in a press release).

It is not unlikely that he accredited God for his amazing recovery, many nonChristians have I seen do such a thing, although I don’t know if made a statement such as that. Could be.
Ster

]]> By: Rob http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/#comment-713 Rob Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:02:05 +0000 http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/#comment-713 We need to talk less about T.O. and pray for him instead. If we are truly Christ-like, then we should be praying people and mournful over the lack of God's name being hallowed in the world. (Note: We should also be intensely joyous people!). We don't mourn T.O.'s sin, our family's sin, and our own sin because we fail to see the glory of God in the face of Jesus. Rather, we banter and talk and quibble about theological issues and comment about the lives of celebrities without questioning whether or not this is edifying. Certainly, not every comment concerning the T.O. situation is inappropriate. But how much would Jesus talk about T.O. if He were here? Would He call us gossipers? The man has a soul and needs our prayers, not our blogs about him or our questions regarding the authenticity of his faith. Let us pray for our own souls lest we be given over to an unbelieving heart. We need to talk less about T.O. and pray for him instead. If we are truly Christ-like, then we should be praying people and mournful over the lack of God’s name being hallowed in the world. (Note: We should also be intensely joyous people!). We don’t mourn T.O.’s sin, our family’s sin, and our own sin because we fail to see the glory of God in the face of Jesus. Rather, we banter and talk and quibble about theological issues and comment about the lives of celebrities without questioning whether or not this is edifying. Certainly, not every comment concerning the T.O. situation is inappropriate. But how much would Jesus talk about T.O. if He were here? Would He call us gossipers? The man has a soul and needs our prayers, not our blogs about him or our questions regarding the authenticity of his faith. Let us pray for our own souls lest we be given over to an unbelieving heart.

]]> By: Lazaro http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/#comment-701 Lazaro Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:06:32 +0000 http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/#comment-701 Hasn't Owens claimed to be Christian ?(of course not that that means anything) I think he made some references to God before the Super Bowl when he was hurt. I believe (someone correct me if they know otherwise) he credited God with his recovery. Hasn’t Owens claimed to be Christian ?(of course not that that means anything)

I think he made some references to God before the Super Bowl when he was hurt. I believe (someone correct me if they know otherwise) he credited God with his recovery.

]]> By: tecmorose http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/#comment-695 tecmorose Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:44:05 +0000 http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/#comment-695 TO is like Saul, or far more like Samson, gifted in many ways, but unable to see past his own blessings to actually appreciate them. Instead he becomes so self absorbed in the world he has inherited based on his inhuman skill, that he unable to cope with the most mundane things. CS Lewis said in Mere Christianity that we have to die to our selves every day, I don't think Owens has been able to do that for a long time, and in the end it will catch up to him. Check out my blog at, http://underdogs.wordpress.com , hopefully nothing too self-absorbed though. Ryan TO is like Saul, or far more like Samson, gifted in many ways, but unable to see past his own blessings to actually appreciate them. Instead he becomes so self absorbed in the world he has inherited based on his inhuman skill, that he unable to cope with the most mundane things. CS Lewis said in Mere Christianity that we have to die to our selves every day, I don’t think Owens has been able to do that for a long time, and in the end it will catch up to him. Check out my blog at, http://underdogs.wordpress.com , hopefully nothing too self-absorbed though.

Ryan

]]> By: erik http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/#comment-692 erik Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:58:20 +0000 http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/#comment-692 Dillon- good to hear from you. small world 'eh? I have been in Omaha for just about 12 years. I'm originally from MA but dig the midwest...our church family is great, ministry is awesome and people are growing...what more could you want?! good to meet you...cool pics on your site. take care man. ::erik Dillon- good to hear from you. small world ‘eh? I have been in Omaha for just about 12 years. I’m originally from MA but dig the midwest…our church family is great, ministry is awesome and people are growing…what more could you want?! good to meet you…cool pics on your site. take care man.

::erik

]]> By: dillont83 http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/#comment-691 dillont83 Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:26:07 +0000 http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/#comment-691 What a coincidence (or perhaps I should say that it was no coincidence at all... but predestined...j/k), I also am Irish... and a Calvinist. Stumbled upon your blog this morning. I'm going to link you and become a regular visitor. My wife and her family are from Omaha. How long have you been in the area??? What a coincidence (or perhaps I should say that it was no coincidence at all… but predestined…j/k), I also am Irish… and a Calvinist. Stumbled upon your blog this morning. I’m going to link you and become a regular visitor. My wife and her family are from Omaha. How long have you been in the area???

]]> By: cuzoogle http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/#comment-687 cuzoogle Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:07:01 +0000 http://asahel.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/thinking-biblically-about-terrell-owens/#comment-687 very different view from what ESPN feeds us all day very different view from what ESPN feeds us all day

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